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hezbollah is a swosh enemy of israel. if hezbollah had gotten those missiles, it would have significantly increased their capability in any future conflict with israel. so, this was not israel getting involved in the conflict in syria, per se, it was very much israel making a preemptive strike to protect itself. but this will increase tension in the region, diane. >> all right, martha. another story to be watching through this night. thanks so much. >>> and now, a dramatic day in washington. a kind of showdown over gun violence in america. it began with a surprise appearance by gabby giffords, who made a plea for a nation awash in guns to do something. abc's chief white house correspondent jonathan karl tells us what happened. >> reporter: you wouldn't know it by watching the way she arrived on capitol hill today, but it was just two years ago that a bullet shattered gabby giffords' skull. >> too many children are dying. too many children. >> reporter: they were the very first words giffords has spoken before congress sin
hezbollah is a swosh enemy of israel. if hezbollah had gotten those missiles, it would have significantly increased their capability in any future conflict with israel. so, this was not israel getting involved in the conflict in syria, per se, it was very much israel making a preemptive strike to protect itself. but this will increase tension in the region, diane. >> all right, martha. another story to be watching through this night. thanks so much. >>> and now, a dramatic day in...
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we haven't heard yet from hezbollah. their media has been silent. they have not confirm anything that has happened as a result of what we've been reporting on today. and we've also learned from the united states government that in fact israel carried out air strikes targeting a convoy that was carrying weapons to hezbollah. we haven't heard anything from the israeli government. so you can see on that map that you just pointed out, a lot of players, a lot of different mixed signals. >> we don't generally expect to hear israel cop to do things like this. in the past when they have done things not exactly like this, but similar to this, they generally make a policy of not announcing it. in 2007, when israel bombed a nuclear reactor in syria, neither israel nor syria said that it happened. and it was widely viewed that syria not admitting that that strike had happened sort of gave them more of a pass than thigh they might otherwise have had in terms of retaliating. the fact that syria is confirming that this happened today, does that mean that there is
we haven't heard yet from hezbollah. their media has been silent. they have not confirm anything that has happened as a result of what we've been reporting on today. and we've also learned from the united states government that in fact israel carried out air strikes targeting a convoy that was carrying weapons to hezbollah. we haven't heard anything from the israeli government. so you can see on that map that you just pointed out, a lot of players, a lot of different mixed signals. >> we...
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they are very fearful that hezbollah, the group that is centered in southern lebanon is close to assad might launch such strikes. that is why they have drawn a red line. it appears tonight that they believe that the syrians and hezbollah has crossed that red line and that is why they acted, shep. >> shepard: jonathan hunt, thank you. now to unsolved lotto case here at home. investigators in the stay of iowa are trying to find the real winner of 14. '-million-dollar lottery jackpot after one guy withdrew his claim we discovered the story. an attorney in new york fedexed this ticket on behalf of a trust. lottery officials says he misspelled the name of the trust so they held on to the money. they say that he won't explain how he got the winning lotto ticket in the first place. now investigators are demanding phone and email records. state officials say it appears to the first time that anybody has submitted a winning ticket and then walked away from the prize. pro-sumpers have always tried to catch that allusive hundred foot wave. one guy may have just bagged the beast. here is the photo
they are very fearful that hezbollah, the group that is centered in southern lebanon is close to assad might launch such strikes. that is why they have drawn a red line. it appears tonight that they believe that the syrians and hezbollah has crossed that red line and that is why they acted, shep. >> shepard: jonathan hunt, thank you. now to unsolved lotto case here at home. investigators in the stay of iowa are trying to find the real winner of 14. '-million-dollar lottery jackpot after...
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it is owned by the emirate of qatar and is openly endorsing supporting hamas and hezbollah. al-jazeera that the father of daniel pearl the journalist that was murdered is calling for a congressional investigation into what is going on. not one of these things matters to these reporters. what they care, about you are saying about global warning and you are selling to a country that makes oil. it's a stupid global warming argument. >> sean: let's go over to steve kroft over at 60 minutes. reason he got 18 interviews with obama is because we're not going to play gotcha with them. so cbs has come a long way, i'm mike wallace, worse words that people could hear. now, we have a case you have a love fest with obama and clinton and then the media they are about as giddy as steve kroft was. >> love fest. in a require a joint interview has everyone reading the tea leaves. >> from the moment they sat down to talk with cbs news 60 minutes president obama and secretary clinton seemed like they had been the best of friends for decades. >> they were side by side, chuckling together. even f
it is owned by the emirate of qatar and is openly endorsing supporting hamas and hezbollah. al-jazeera that the father of daniel pearl the journalist that was murdered is calling for a congressional investigation into what is going on. not one of these things matters to these reporters. what they care, about you are saying about global warning and you are selling to a country that makes oil. it's a stupid global warming argument. >> sean: let's go over to steve kroft over at 60 minutes....
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the concern was if hezbollah were able to get those weapons they would shoot down israeli airplanes. >>> time now 6:17, well a senate is allowing the treasury department to keep borrowing money for four more months. it extends and requires them to approve bun gets or they he will loose their paychecks. >>> they are facing some pretty tough questions and senator chuck hagel's confirmation hearing may get heated and this could have some local implications, kyla campbell? >> reporter: lawmakers from both sides of the aisle have criticized the former senator and senator chuck hagel will be grilled on the rights of gay military members and the united states military arms fleet for starters. critics say senator chuck hagel importance of the ties to israel and he will not do enough to protect allies and they say he is too soft on the nuclear program. -- nuclear program and it's bad business for the u.s. to have senator chuck hagel. >> they have denied the attempt to get a nuclear weapon and it is one of the most dangerous regimes in the middle east. >> reporter: if nothing is done to top au
the concern was if hezbollah were able to get those weapons they would shoot down israeli airplanes. >>> time now 6:17, well a senate is allowing the treasury department to keep borrowing money for four more months. it extends and requires them to approve bun gets or they he will loose their paychecks. >>> they are facing some pretty tough questions and senator chuck hagel's confirmation hearing may get heated and this could have some local implications, kyla campbell?...
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target was believed to be a convoy that was carrying heavy weapons out of syria into lebanon to go to hezbollah, the shiite militant group. now, obviously syria shares a border with israel. it has very serious concerns about the security situation inside syria, particularly because syria has a significant stock of chemical weapons. at this stage no one is expecting the syrians to launch a retaliatory attack but certainly this raises very real concerns about the possibility that syria's civil war is spilling across its borders. >> thank you clarissa ward. >>> time to show you morning's headlines from around the globe. "the new york times" says it was an emotional affair parents of victims of the sandy hook school shooting were among those testifying, many in the room called for stricter gun control. >>> "the tennesseean" says prostate cancer treatments can feel worse than the disease. research by vanderbilt university found men experienced widespread complications after undergoing surgery or radiation therapy. the study notes not all prostate cancer requires aggressive treatment. >>> "usa today"
target was believed to be a convoy that was carrying heavy weapons out of syria into lebanon to go to hezbollah, the shiite militant group. now, obviously syria shares a border with israel. it has very serious concerns about the security situation inside syria, particularly because syria has a significant stock of chemical weapons. at this stage no one is expecting the syrians to launch a retaliatory attack but certainly this raises very real concerns about the possibility that syria's civil...
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it could be a game changer if chemical weapons are obtained by terrorists such as hezbollah or al qaeda. israel could launch a preemptive strike. >>> new revelations this morning in the 16-year-old murder of jonbenet ramsey. we're learning a grand jury did vote to indict. the district attorney did not prosecute. jury members spoke to an online colorado newspaper under the condition that they remain anonymous. >>> police are investigating singer chris brown for his possible involvement in a fight in west hollywood parking lot. witnesses say he was arguing over a parking space when he alleged punched the victim. brown has a history of issues including an attack in 2009 on his then girlfriend rihanna and a brawl at a new york nightclub late last year. >>> a crazy stunt at the x games last night, watch this, could have been a major disaster. check this out. the australian lost control of his snow mobile during a back flip. ouch. he managed to land away from it but the vehicle sped off on its own and into spectators. no one was hurt including strong. >>> another near miss. this one in china
it could be a game changer if chemical weapons are obtained by terrorists such as hezbollah or al qaeda. israel could launch a preemptive strike. >>> new revelations this morning in the 16-year-old murder of jonbenet ramsey. we're learning a grand jury did vote to indict. the district attorney did not prosecute. jury members spoke to an online colorado newspaper under the condition that they remain anonymous. >>> police are investigating singer chris brown for his possible...
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was targeting a weapon's convoy inside syria and the convoy was believed to contain antiaircraft to hezbollah militants and that would allow them to shoot down israeli war planes. they say israeli air strikes are shooting at a military facility. >>> if hagel is confirmed, he will likely have to take on budget cuts and as kyla campbell reports there is a ripple affect we could feel here in the bay area. >> reporter: pam, a lot of spending budgets are expected to come and if that happens, the blue angels could become a thing of the pass. it would force the navy to cut funding for the second half of the year and that includes fleet week in san francisco and that's scheduled for mid- october. a shrinking budget is one thing hagel could face but he has said spending has ballooned and there are areas that should be trimmed. he has spent weeks preparing forted and the president -- for today and they called it the hagel war room. >> we are expecting results and that's what you can expect in this hagel process. >> reporter: now past supporters have turned to sceptics and why they say he is too soft fo
was targeting a weapon's convoy inside syria and the convoy was believed to contain antiaircraft to hezbollah militants and that would allow them to shoot down israeli war planes. they say israeli air strikes are shooting at a military facility. >>> if hagel is confirmed, he will likely have to take on budget cuts and as kyla campbell reports there is a ripple affect we could feel here in the bay area. >> reporter: pam, a lot of spending budgets are expected to come and if that...
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bill: perhaps this was a convoy that was bringing anti-aircraft missiles into lebanon to help hezbollah to fend off an attack against israel. that was not confirmed either. but what we do know is that something was hit by somebody. if you're the israelis would this not be the perfect time to do that? >> absolutely. bill: syria is entirely distract with its own civil war. >> syria is distracted. whatever happens israel can not allow the golan heights which they fought for years. the last several wars have been over the golan heights. they can not iran to use its cat paws on the golan heights to have chemical weapons. you remember in the october, gaza on the west of israel, iranian scud missiles being reink forced and put there. the israelis attacked those. a week before that, there was a weapons plant in sudan, in africa, presumably the israelis hit. that was a plant making weapons on their way to gaza. this is all heating up. bill: all of our discussions over the past month or two you consistently come back to that sinai peninsula. >> yeah. bill: you say at the moment it is like the wil
bill: perhaps this was a convoy that was bringing anti-aircraft missiles into lebanon to help hezbollah to fend off an attack against israel. that was not confirmed either. but what we do know is that something was hit by somebody. if you're the israelis would this not be the perfect time to do that? >> absolutely. bill: syria is entirely distract with its own civil war. >> syria is distracted. whatever happens israel can not allow the golan heights which they fought for years. the...
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votes, for example, failing to classify hezbollah. a lot of these things deserve answers. i don't care about his personality and care about psychology on him. we do deserve answers on policy. >> the senate will work its will. having worked in the senate, i am working the right to say yes or no. those questions should be asked tomorrow by both democrats and republicans on the committee. if you answered the questions, they report him out. they gave him an up or down vote. >> they do matter. is he going to implement the don't ask don't tell? his voting record was anti-lbgt. iran is something people should look at and he is beginning to make statements. conflict with iran is closer than we think. the position on that as well. that's for the senate to decide and not for anyone else. >> we have the opportunity for our cycle bit of useless trivia for the day. you said the previous one was 1959. you are correct. that was straus, the nominee and admiral and the congress secretary. >> off the top of his head. he did not google it. >>ive might have written about that recently. >> i a
votes, for example, failing to classify hezbollah. a lot of these things deserve answers. i don't care about his personality and care about psychology on him. we do deserve answers on policy. >> the senate will work its will. having worked in the senate, i am working the right to say yes or no. those questions should be asked tomorrow by both democrats and republicans on the committee. if you answered the questions, they report him out. they gave him an up or down vote. >> they do...
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. >> i think the events have brought hezbollah into our sights for the first time, probably strengthened the iranian hand. >> if you want to live the life of policy failures by all means get involved in the middle east. >> i believe that the reagan policy in the middle east wasted the power of american leadership and diplomacy. >> much of the problems that we have till this day in the region were born out of policies that either were you the into place during reagan or were continued during the reagan years. >> that was a clip from the documentary series, the reagan presidency coming to pbs. with us now the filmmaker behind the project, chip duncan. howard dean, katty kay all back with us. that's a fascinating introduction to a documentary, mobilely focused on reagan's foreign policy as it pertains to the soviet union and prevailing a 50-year cold war. >> yeah, in this case, it was all based on a comment from george schulze during our interview with schulze who said, and i'm more or less quoting that he felt that the reagan administration didn't make a lot of accomplishments in the middl
. >> i think the events have brought hezbollah into our sights for the first time, probably strengthened the iranian hand. >> if you want to live the life of policy failures by all means get involved in the middle east. >> i believe that the reagan policy in the middle east wasted the power of american leadership and diplomacy. >> much of the problems that we have till this day in the region were born out of policies that either were you the into place during reagan or...
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reportedly aimed at a convoy of trucks carrying a shipment of weapons to the anti-israel militant group hezbollah in neighboring lebanon. the vice premier of israel warned if there's any signs that seeria was losing its grip on chemical weapons there would be military air strikes. no reports that there were chemical weapons in this strike, the associated press saying it's anti-aircraft missiles. the first time israel has fired into syria since 2007. definitely represents an escalation of the situation there. syria, of course, in the midst of a raging civil war. back to you. >> thanks, michelle. our next guest has analysis of america's fiscal situation and the takeaway is this. despite our debt fast approaching $17 trillion, spending cuts will actually make matters worse. >> and the reason is it's getting so much attention is that john makin, a noted conservative economist, and is a resident scholar at the american enterprise institute. also with us is lindsey piegsa, an economist at ftn financial, and she sees things a little bit differently. john, we'll go to you first because the headline there
reportedly aimed at a convoy of trucks carrying a shipment of weapons to the anti-israel militant group hezbollah in neighboring lebanon. the vice premier of israel warned if there's any signs that seeria was losing its grip on chemical weapons there would be military air strikes. no reports that there were chemical weapons in this strike, the associated press saying it's anti-aircraft missiles. the first time israel has fired into syria since 2007. definitely represents an escalation of the...
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to the militant group hezbollah in lebanon. the attack appears to confirm fears that the chaotic civil war has left that country's sophisticated weapons vulnerable. russia called israel's attack unacceptable. >>> and chuck hagel sure to face tough questions during his first day of confirmation in the senate. he is not specifically pro-israel and wouldn't be tough enough on iran. >>> a man wanted for opening fire inside a phoenix office building, killing a ceo in the process, is on the run at this hour. police say 70-year-old arthur harmon shot the top executive of a call center agency that he was suing. two others were wounded. harmon fled in a white rental car. police say he is armed and dangerous. >>> also this morning, walmart has announced it will begin limiting sales of ammunition to three boxes per day per customer. worries about new gun control laws have led to a run on ammunition. and walmart cannot keep up with the demand. >>> there's new proof that americans are living on the edge when it comes to their finances. some
to the militant group hezbollah in lebanon. the attack appears to confirm fears that the chaotic civil war has left that country's sophisticated weapons vulnerable. russia called israel's attack unacceptable. >>> and chuck hagel sure to face tough questions during his first day of confirmation in the senate. he is not specifically pro-israel and wouldn't be tough enough on iran. >>> a man wanted for opening fire inside a phoenix office building, killing a ceo in the process,...
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that hezbollah is getting weapons? >> again, i don't have anything for you on questions about those reports. i would refer you to the israeli government. >> a u.s. official is quoted talking about this. you can't give us anything. >> again, i don't have anything for you. >> in the hearings on capitol hill going on right now, senator riegle has been taking tough questions. with regard to something he said, does the president believe the government of iran is legitimately elected? >> and sorry, said that again. >> to the presently the government of ron is legitimate in elective? >> i think our views of us president's election were to be expressed. the president's views on that matter, and our views on the behavior of the regime in tehran are expressed again and again and again. the fact is, we judge a run by his behavior, not by its words, by its actions, and they are consistently in violation of the united nations obligations, the international obligations and because of that they are enduring the most intense sanctions
that hezbollah is getting weapons? >> again, i don't have anything for you on questions about those reports. i would refer you to the israeli government. >> a u.s. official is quoted talking about this. you can't give us anything. >> again, i don't have anything for you. >> in the hearings on capitol hill going on right now, senator riegle has been taking tough questions. with regard to something he said, does the president believe the government of iran is legitimately...
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hezbollah is a sworn enemy of israel. if hezbollah had gotten those missiles it would have significantly increased their capability in any future conflict with israel. this was not israel getting involved in the conflict in syria, per se. it was very much israel making a preemptive strike to protect itself. martha raddatz, abc news, washington. >> i think that's important because early reports sort of were, were suggesting that perhaps i had real was getting involved in the inner workings of the syrian war. that, now we know, is not necessarily the case. >> nobody wants to touch that. but in terms of getting too deeply involved. even the u.s. has been very kind of wary about how deeply they're going to get involved in this. the real issue, if assad loses control and those weapons he has get into the wrong hand that's when the situation turns much more grave, much more serious, potentially volatile and that could be the turning point that would draw the u.s. more deeply into syria if the weapons, particularly the chemical
hezbollah is a sworn enemy of israel. if hezbollah had gotten those missiles it would have significantly increased their capability in any future conflict with israel. this was not israel getting involved in the conflict in syria, per se. it was very much israel making a preemptive strike to protect itself. martha raddatz, abc news, washington. >> i think that's important because early reports sort of were, were suggesting that perhaps i had real was getting involved in the inner workings...
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the convey was believed to be the anti-weapons headed to hezbollah militants. the concern, that would allow the militant to shoot down israeli airplanes. syria said the israeli air strikes hit a military research facility. >>> "the new york times" now revealing for the last four months its computer system has been attacked by chinese hackers. "the times" says the hackers probably got in with passwords for the reporters and other employees. the attack started after publishing a story about relatives of china's prime minister amazing billions of dollars through business dealings. "the times" says it's been able to build up the security system to keep the hackers out. >>> the border patrol often arrests people for drugs. this time it was for ipads. a border agent at a checkpoint in riverside county, checked a car when the driver and passengers looked nervous. 29 ipads were found in the trunk. all had markings from a school recently burglarized. the school got their ipads back. the suspects were arrested. >>> salvador core says "legislating for the right of people
the convey was believed to be the anti-weapons headed to hezbollah militants. the concern, that would allow the militant to shoot down israeli airplanes. syria said the israeli air strikes hit a military research facility. >>> "the new york times" now revealing for the last four months its computer system has been attacked by chinese hackers. "the times" says the hackers probably got in with passwords for the reporters and other employees. the attack started after...
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speech on the floor of the senate you referred to israel's military campaign against the terrorist group hezbollah as a "sickening slaughter." now, i would suggest the characterizations. do you think it's right that israel was creating a sickening slaughter as you said on the floor of the senate. >> i think, again, i would want to read all of it, what i said. >> what cruz and his cracker jack detective work did not reveal was the actual substance of hagel's quote, which reads in full. "the sickening slaughter on both sides must end, and it must end now. president bush must call for an immediate cease-fire." this was not the only example of republican sloouting unquestionable leads with even more dubious conclusions. senator kelly ayote was determined show that hagel voted against iranian sanctions even if he did so while supporting harsher sanctions. zifs one of some republican senators who did not want that to go forward. i voted against it in subcommittee, and the reason i did was because the bush administration did not want that bill to go forward. the reason that they didn't is because they we
speech on the floor of the senate you referred to israel's military campaign against the terrorist group hezbollah as a "sickening slaughter." now, i would suggest the characterizations. do you think it's right that israel was creating a sickening slaughter as you said on the floor of the senate. >> i think, again, i would want to read all of it, what i said. >> what cruz and his cracker jack detective work did not reveal was the actual substance of hagel's quote, which...
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israeli jets hit a convoy of trucks believed to be sheupgz weapons to hezbollah. the trucks allegedly filled with russian-made missiles. in a few hours president obama's job council could get the pink slip. it is set to expire today. it's only met four times since it was create twaod years ago. the white house defends the council. it says the president took action on 33 out of 35 council recommendations. >> patty andrews, the last survivor of the three singing andrews sisters, has died. ♪ >> boogie woogie bugle boy became an anthem. the siblings from minnesota broke up in 1963 when patty went solo. patty andrews was 94 years old. >>steve: a lot of good music. >> now i think we know why the president of the united states in his second inaugural didn't talk about the economic progress this country is making. because there isn't any. the fourth quarter g.d.p. gross domestic product number came out yesterday and it is the worst since the recession ended in 2009. the economy shrank for the first time. it fell at a .1% annual rate. that is not good. it's largely drive
israeli jets hit a convoy of trucks believed to be sheupgz weapons to hezbollah. the trucks allegedly filled with russian-made missiles. in a few hours president obama's job council could get the pink slip. it is set to expire today. it's only met four times since it was create twaod years ago. the white house defends the council. it says the president took action on 33 out of 35 council recommendations. >> patty andrews, the last survivor of the three singing andrews sisters, has died....
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talking about the possible suspects, hezbollah, iran, syria, also al qaeda, the suspects in benghazi bombing fled to turkey after that bombing. >> lots of suspects in this. thanks guy, appreciate it. we get to "cnn newsroom" with carol costello begins right now. >> hi, soledad. stories we're watching right now in "the newsroom" the blast felt around the world. suicide bomber strikes just outside the u.s. embassy in turkey. we have the latest on this developing story. >>> mistakenly freed a convicted murderer on the loose, the latest on the frantic search to find him. >>> popular cough and cold syrups you may have in your cupboard are being recalled because the caps on the bottles aren't child proof enough. plus -- i can't even explain to you how insane it is in bat herher baltimore. >> what time is it? >> game time! >> what time is it? >> game time! >> big dogs in the house! >> woof, woof! >>> a couple of hours ago a bomber got as close to the front gate of the u.s. embassy in turkey before detonating. the state department scrambles to beef up security in response to the deadly attac
talking about the possible suspects, hezbollah, iran, syria, also al qaeda, the suspects in benghazi bombing fled to turkey after that bombing. >> lots of suspects in this. thanks guy, appreciate it. we get to "cnn newsroom" with carol costello begins right now. >> hi, soledad. stories we're watching right now in "the newsroom" the blast felt around the world. suicide bomber strikes just outside the u.s. embassy in turkey. we have the latest on this developing...
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israel saying it did target the convoy to prevent hezbollah from obtaining russian-made surface-to-air missiles. many world leaders fearing extremists would get their hands on the weapons as syria's civil war wages on. syria says the weapons convoy didn't exist and the israeli jets attacked a military facility outside damascus. israel's first strike inside syria since 2007. that may have been what hillary clinton meant when she said yesterday after giving up the secretary of state post that the world is a very difficult place right now. >>steve: it is. yesterday chuck hagel had a rough first day. he would like to be our next secretary of defense. his appearance was rambling. he was stapl pherg. "the new york daily news" this morning writes whatever president obama sees in chuck hagel, it was largely invisible as he faced his former colleagues. if you missed the testimony, we had it largely here on the channel yesterday. here he is tangling with john mccain over the troop surge in iraq which mr. hagel opposed. >> if you would like me to explain why -- >> i actually would like an answer.
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israeli jets struck a convoy believed to be transporting surface-to-air missile parts to hezbollah in lebanon. it is not certain if the u.s. and syrian accounts of the attack refer to the same or maybe separate incidents. >>> new jersey senator robert menendez is denying allegations that he traveled to know a friend's private plane to have sex with prostitutes. he issued a statement wednesday saying that it was simply not true. soledad. >> lots of other things to talk about this morning as we focus on this showdown in the senate. this is going to be very interesting, as this hearing for chuck hagel gets under way. there was early resistance, obviously, and after that there are many people who still predicted in spite of the noisy resistance it might go forward. i think they have been starting to back away from that. i think it will be tougher -- >> i think senator mccain will be one of the toughest asking the questions but i think ultimately we'll see him get through. >> why do you say that? do you think that's the case? in the beginning everyone was saying that. he's got issues on th
israeli jets struck a convoy believed to be transporting surface-to-air missile parts to hezbollah in lebanon. it is not certain if the u.s. and syrian accounts of the attack refer to the same or maybe separate incidents. >>> new jersey senator robert menendez is denying allegations that he traveled to know a friend's private plane to have sex with prostitutes. he issued a statement wednesday saying that it was simply not true. soledad. >> lots of other things to talk about this...